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This video shows the stage separation of the 1st stage of Apollo 11 followed by the jettisoning of the ring-shaped fairing between the two stages.

The moment the fairing is jettisoned (at 0:40), it appears to catch fire and burns in a very spectacular-looking way. What exactly caused this effect?

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The burning seems to be after the 5 J-2 engines on the second stage fire. Each J-2 has about 230KLbs of thrust for well over a million lbs of thrust aggregate.

ANYTHING exposed to 1 million lbs of LOX/LH thrust is very likely to burn. No doubt they ran some oxygen and hydrogen through the engines to pre-cool them before igniting, (like the SSME does, like most engines do) so there was likely a local non-vacuum environment for a short period of time.

Sort of like how a Delta-4 Heavy's hydrogen venting for engine preconditioning hangs around enough to light the outside on fire. Just with less oxygen in the Saturn V case.

Additionally, I think you are seeing little ullage style engines firing to force a tumble onto the interstage for a more destructive reentry. Wikipedia says they were solid rockets:

Eight small solid fuel separation motors backed the S-IC from the interstage at an altitude of about 67 kilometers (42 mi).

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Thank you for your answer, @geoffc. But although the answer seems plausible and convincing to me, you didn't provide any source for your claim. Unfortunately I can not accept the answer unless there is some proof that it is factually correct, like a link to a trustworthy 3rd party source. –  Philipp Mar 17 at 9:44
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My guess would be it's predominantly due to cryo-pumping, cryogenic propellants in the interstage liquefying and solidifying atmospheric gases, among which oxygen, because of liquid hydrogen propellant temperatures being low enough to liquefy atmospheric air on contact when Saturn V was still on the launchpad (but fuelled), so the whole interstage ring held onto it and provided oxidizer for the excess hydrogen (low oxidizer to fuel mixture) in the exhaust of the upper stage. Notice chunks of ice falling off the interstage (and the upper stage) on separation.

Let's first see what we're talking of here. From Saturn V Second Stage Fact Sheet (PDF):

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Interstage

The interstage, fabricated at NAA's Tulsa plant, is a semimonocoque structure. Semimonocoque means that the skin has a minimum of internal framework. The interstage is slightly over 18 feet in height and 33 feet in diameter. The structure has internal circumferential supporting frames and external hat sections positioned vertically to provide structural rigidity.

After first stage burnout and initial separation, eight rocket motors attached equidistantly around the interstage are fired for approximately 4 seconds. These motors, called ullage motors (an old brewer's term referring to the gaseous zone in a tank above the liquid), provide positive acceleration and therefore pressure to force the stage's propellants into the feed lines to the J-2 engines. This is called the ullage maneuver. The interstage is separated from the second stage approximately 30 seconds after it separates from the first stage. The two-step separation of the interstage is called dual-plane separation.

This means that the burn you see after the interstage separation can't be from the ullage motors, because they're fired to provide acceleration for the second stage propellants before the interstage separation and the video you link to shows the second stage engine has already been ignited. Plus, the ullage motors fire externally to the interstage, and the video clearly shows burning also within the interstage ring, perhaps more so than the burn external to it. The second stage interstage also separated the Saturn V first stage and the second stage LOX tanks, so the interstage provides a leak path for the LOX cryogenic oxidizer, and some of it would slush on contact with the interstage and form chunks of ice, mixing leaked cryogenic oxidizer, atmospheric air and nitrogen gas used for purging the excess gases in the interstage. Due to the nitrogen purging, there wouldn't be much of it, and indeed there isn't as seen in the video, but some there clearly is.

In a nutshell, the interstage brought along with it ice chunks of Earth's atmosphere that facilitated the burn with its oxygen where you wouldn't really expect it, once they started to outgas due to sublimation in hard vacuum and heat from the upper stage exhaust. Part of the required oxygen might also have been provided by the titanium dioxide white paint on the interstage itself, with oxygen releasing from them at the temperatures of the upper stage exhaust, or heat insulation materials used in the inner side and soaked in cryogenic propellants (cryo-ingestion of leaked propellants mixed with nitrogen used for purging them from the interstage) catching fire.

I discuss cryo-pumping and cryo-ingestion in more detail in my answer to Why was the Shuttle's LOX tank on top of the LH2 tank, since that makes it more top-heavy?

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Thank you for your answer, @TidalWave. But although the answer seems plausible and convincing to me, you didn't provide any source for your guess. Unfortunately I can not accept the answer unless there is some proof that it is factually correct, like a link to a trustworthy 3rd party source. –  Philipp Mar 17 at 9:44
    
@Philipp I don't have any "trustworthy 3rd party source" for this. The best evidence is the video itself, combined with a bit of background in Saturn V cryogenic propellants storage, interstage design, and operational procedures followed before and during the launch. I expanded a bit on my answer, explaining why I believe it can't be the ullage motors (though that is an admirable call from Geoff, I wish that was so as it would be much easier to explain). Yes, I provide an educated guess, that's all I can do on this one, sorry. There are chunks of ice. Would they facilitate the burn? IMHO Yes. –  TildalWave Mar 17 at 12:45
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