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Many people would like to know if any form of life could survive anywhere in the atmosphere of Venus.

Researchers have simulated conditions on Mars and found that after a month some cyanobacteria were still alive and active ! (Reference)

Is it not important that researchers could also study if CO2 consuming bacteria could thrive in some regions of the atmosphere of Venus by simulating the conditions in those regions ?
Or has there been such research already ?

Nostoc commune,a species of Cyanobacterium, could be a good candidate for the harsh conditions that have to be simulated.

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  • $\begingroup$ @Uwe Thank you for being so helpful. I've made my question more specific $\endgroup$ – Cornelisinspace Jan 31 '18 at 23:13
  • $\begingroup$ Your question is interesting, you might consider another edit. If you would like to ask about the possibility of bacteria in the atmosphere, that should be the title as well. Try to keep your question narrow and focused. You can always ask a new question based on answers you get here, but answers are more likely if the question is narrow and focused. $\endgroup$ – uhoh Feb 1 '18 at 0:19
  • $\begingroup$ @Uwe Thank you for your new susgestions, again i 've made some corrections. $\endgroup$ – Cornelisinspace Feb 1 '18 at 8:09
  • $\begingroup$ @Uwe But the main question stays: why has there been no simulations until now ! And i have to explain why those simulations could be worthwhile ! $\endgroup$ – Cornelisinspace Feb 1 '18 at 8:22
  • $\begingroup$ Great edits, your question looks much better! $\endgroup$ – uhoh Feb 1 '18 at 13:17
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One issue is actually simulating the clouds. If you know and can reproduce the Martian soil chemistry, you have the "Martian soil" used in the referenced simulation. But to get or reproduce a piece of the Venusian clouds that would serve as this "soil" in a Venus simulation you have not only to match or sample the cloud chemistry, but also simulate the weather/hydrodynamic conditions that exist in the clouds. You may also need to explore simulated clouds at different altitudes. All told, your simulation would have to be more complex to design and carry out than the Martian one.

Moreover, for all the fascinating cloud chemistry we see on Venus, we are not yet at the point where Venusian cloud life is as likely as life on Mars. A key difference here is the known presence of organic material. Martian organic material, including methane and more complex compounds, is known to exist, providing an argument for the possibility of life and a motive for further study. Direct evidence for such organic chemistry on Venus is not present unless it would be very recent news. (The 2020 discovery of phosphine could be a biosignature, but it is not an organic compound; and phosphine is not among the top potential biosignatures on other possible-life worlds.)

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  • $\begingroup$ Thank you for this thorough answer. Simulating clouds at different altitudes would need adapting temperature ,pressure and sulfuric acid concentration. That alone would not be too complex. And the simulating would not be for evidence of organic chemistry but for testing if some existing bacteria could thrive in such conditions, possibly with adding some fertilizer. $\endgroup$ – Cornelisinspace Aug 18 '19 at 17:14
  • $\begingroup$ "unless it would be very recent news"... this answer might be due for an update. $\endgroup$ – craq Sep 15 at 4:20
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    $\begingroup$ What seems to be missing, however, is evidence for organic compounds. Hence this question. $\endgroup$ – Oscar Lanzi Sep 15 at 10:10
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Geothermal pools and hydrothermal vents Are the closest thing to Venus like conditions. At 400 degrees Celsius, Venus runs at temperatures of 465 Celsius. However the oceanic depth and pressure prevents any boiling of the super heated water, at 10,000 feet deep, the vents exist at 300 times atmospheric pressure (3x that of venus atmosphere) however there's a layer of cold ocean water pressing on those vents. As they pour out of a vent, the fluids encounter cold, oxygenated seawater, causing another, more rapid series of chemical reactions to occur.

A liquid at high pressure has a higher boiling point than when that liquid is at atmospheric pressure. For example, water boils at 100 °C (212 °F) at sea level, but at 93.4 °C (200.1 °F) at 1,905 metres (6,250 ft) altitude. For a given pressure, different liquids will boil at different temperatures.

Venus is dry, because without water there's no universal carrying fluid for metabolism or dissolving of organic materials. Organic molecules require lower temperature condditions to create organic substances like proteins or DNA. Even with Venus high pressure; water boils at 365 degrees celsius. Venus is simply too hot for water; thus too hot for living things. Based on fundamental life chemistry water is the universal solvent and carrying fluid.

Why simulate an environment as noxious enough to digest a battery

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  • $\begingroup$ Didn 't you know that at 55 km height the atmospheric temperature is 27⁰ C and that there actually is water in Venus's atmosphere ? $\endgroup$ – Cornelisinspace Sep 16 at 8:52
  • $\begingroup$ yeah, 0.002% Venus has little magnetic field or ozone layer to fight off intense radiation. Being millions of miles closer to the sun. $\endgroup$ – LazyReader Sep 16 at 19:05

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