# Will the Tesla Roadster return any telemetry?

Is there any equipment fitted to the Tesla Roadster to send signals back to Earth, even for a short time after launch?

• There should be an antenna for telemetry. If a directional dish antenna would be used, an attitude control would be necessary to direct the antenna to a ground station. – Uwe Feb 4 '18 at 17:03
• One can only hope they plug in one of those telematics devices allstate.com/tools-and-resources/car-insurance/… to see just how much of a break they could get on their car insurance. :) – Edwin Buck Feb 6 '18 at 4:46

It looks like there will be some brief telemetry. According to this article.

Several cameras appear to be mounted to the vehicle, so it’s likely that video of its insertion into what Musk said will be a “billion year elliptical Mars orbit” will be released afterward.

• +1 Re-reading the question "Is there any equipment fitted to the Tesla Roadster to send signals back to Earth, even for a short time after launch?" this is exactly the answer! – uhoh Feb 5 '18 at 22:16
• This is exactly the sort of answer I was looking for. I was aware that the roadster will play Space Oddity on its audio system until the battery is spent but not if there was anything to be sent back to us – Dave Gremlin Feb 6 '18 at 19:49
• @DaveGremlin, it just occurred to me. Who is going to know if they are actually playing Space Oddity? No air --> no sound. – ShadoCat Feb 6 '18 at 21:06

The second stage is not planned to detach, because you want a fairly detectable piece of space debris left behind instead of something less detectable. A large second stage + a Tesla is easier to track, than just a Tesla. Besides, you would then have 2 or more things to track if they seperated. (Does the payload adapter separate in that case for a third piece?)

Thus the second stage will have its normal telemetry equipment and most likely SpaceX will just use that as it would cost little to use it. However the batteries on the second stage will run out fairly quickly (In hours or days at most) so it will not report for long.

From the images of encapsulating the Roadster in the fairing it does not seem like any kind of solar array was added, so powering any telemetry long term is unlikely.

Nearer to launch time, Musk tweeted a new view of the Roadster on the Payload Adapter (PLA) which shows some structure added to the PLA, probably to hold a selfie camera if nothing else. Images on Instagram

They also put their space suit in it, which you would think they would instrument to at least return some info, as a nice additional test.

However during the post launch press conference he said the suit is not instrumented at all. It is just as easy to test in a vacuum chamber, so they did not bother.

That is clearly a selfie camera on the front end and left side. There is something on the tail end. But still no solar panels, but since they hid this for a while, anything is possible.

Of course the Roadster's 60 Kwh battery pack would likely have more power the the second stages, but using it would probably cost more than it is worth.

Also, since this is Musk's Roadster, I assume he got the re-built battery pack upgrade to make it an R80 model (80 Kwh pack) that requires rebuilding an existing pack with new cells. A process that Tesla is doing very slowly, and thus I suspect they might have actually taken the pack out, or else swapped it back for a normal pack, to make upgrading someone else's Roadster faster.

They only built 2500 Roadsters in total, and not everyone is willing to pay for the pack upgrade, so buying machinery to automate is barely worth it.

I agree of course with @geoffc's answer that the batteries would be running out in hours or days, especially if they are running heaters to keep the battery itself and the other electronics warm (not unlike what a Tesla battery does for itself in cold weather).

At first I was thinking that the electronics could shut down except for a few micro-ampere draw for a Real Time Clock (RTC) that could "wake up" (reboot) a small computer and beacon system later, but then remembered that deep space spacecraft design includes plenty of equipment to keep the critical electronics (and batteries) warm enough. This necessarily includes a power source; either a Radioisotope Thermal Generator (RTG} or solar panels.

See for example the excellent answers to WHY did Rosetta have to go into hibernation for 2.5 years? as well as Is this the longest that a spacecraft “went to sleep” and then woke up on schedule?

Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 are currently at about 141 and 116 AU from the Earth. According to this answer and references therin, the Voyagers' high gain antennas are 3.7 meters in diameter and have an X-band gain of about 48 dB. At a distance of 1.5 AU you'd need an estimated 40 dB less gain for a similar performance in each direction (not taking into account sources of noise), so a relatively compact, even mildly directional antenna with a gain of 8 dB might be good enough for a very modest beacon or transponder for delay-doppler ranging. You'd still need to point it in the general direction of Earth though, and at this small distance pointing only at the general direction of the Sun (which the Voyagers can now get away with, see for example the as-yet insufficiently answered How well can Voyager 1 separate Earth signals from Solar noise these days?) would not be sufficient. So you'd need some functioning ADCS and/or pointing mechanism.

And of course you'd need to book time on the Deep Space Network's large dish antennas (or other deep space monitoring station of which there are several, see for example How have/how will Indian ground stations be used for comms or tracking of deep space spacecraft? and Was the time of Schiaparelli's landing chosen specifically so the Giant Meter Wave Radiotelescope could listen?) to do that at the greatest distances as the months wore on.

This kind of deep-space equipment (power source, heater, transponder or transmitter) sounds way too involved to build, test, and incorporate into this particular "stunt."

There is a possibility of using some kind of optical signal, such as LEDs and a coarse reflector which would need minimal pointing that might transmit a steady "heart-beat" signal that could be pulled out of the noise using a large telescope and Fourier analysis (similarly to how the faintest pulsars are detected in radioastronomy), or a more complex system as described in the answers to How is long-distance optical communications coming along in space?, but again, so much time to build, test and incorporate. You couldn't just flash the Tesla's headlights unfortunately.

As an aside, passive detection of very distant objects by non-optical methods is nicely summarized in this excellently researched answer to "What is the current record for the farthest detection of a “dead” spacecraft?"

• Don't you think "Stunt" is a bit snobby? considering Musk has literally picked up the ball where NASA dropped it. It's about time someone put a bit of fun into Space Exploring. – John Jun 27 at 13:03
• @John putting the 2nd stage out at Mars is quite an achievement. Attaching a red sports car to it is fluff. The current question asked is only about the fluff, so I've limited the scope of my answer to that aspect of the mission. – uhoh Jun 27 at 14:15