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SpaceX are planning a new very heavy launch vehicle called BFR. Although the site of manufacture has not been finalised yet (as far as I know), everyone seems to assume it will be on the east coast. Does this mean that launches will be made across the US mainland? I thought the reason for choosing Florida as a launch site was because as well as being in the far south launches can also take place out into the Atlantic Ocean rather than over land.

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  • $\begingroup$ They probably won't be. $\endgroup$ – Rob Rose Feb 18 '18 at 2:35
  • $\begingroup$ Why do you think they won't? $\endgroup$ – Slarty Feb 18 '18 at 12:17
  • $\begingroup$ Musk is notorious for over-promising and under-delivering. He vastly underestimates the difficulties of building such a rocket. Building large tanks is very hard. Both design wise and production. Musk has yet to figure out how to manufacture cars consistently and at scale, a problem Toyota solved in the 80's. Musk continues to operate under the assumption that he will simply keep raising funding and that he can do it better than everyone else. So far his record does not back that up. $\endgroup$ – Rob Rose Feb 18 '18 at 19:29
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    $\begingroup$ @RobRose SpaceX is not Tesla. They have already built and tested a propellant tank which is even larger than the one which will be used for BFR (12m compared to 9m). $\endgroup$ – Jake Blocker Mar 5 '18 at 16:20
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Gwynne Shotwell was speaking at a conference and said that at least initially they will be leasing land in Los Angeles near the harbour to build the first BFR units. She specified that the cost to move power lines/lights/trees and so on would be too high to build it at the current factory.

It has been noted by fans that the doors on the factory at Hawthorne are large enough to get the tanks out, if made there. It might be possible that initial very early builds would be built at Hawthorne, until a harbour located factory is complete.

The BFR/BFS (Big Falcon Rocket, sometimes called BFB, Big Falcon Booster, aka the first stage, and Big Falcon Ship, aka the second stage) are quite large and the easiest way to move them is either by water, or else for themselves to self ferry.

Self ferrying would require a launch site away from people, that they could take off with a minimal fuel load to fly to a proper launch site. This is unlikely to happen from LA unless it is offshore. Alas, reaching Florida, Texas, or any other of their launch sites is unlikely to be allowed as it would require overflight over very populated areas.

The theory is that wherever the main launch site ends up being, is the most likely place to actually build them.

The Raptor engine is dimensionally fairly close to the size of a Merlin engine, and SpaceX knows how to make a lot of Merlin engines in a year.

They will definitely need the ability to assembly line the engines, since the first stage will require 31 engines (sea level version) and the upper stage will require 7 engines (4 vacuum, 3 sea level for landing). 38 engines a full stack, means making a lot of engines a year.

The Raptor engines are small enough to transport and almost certainly will be built in the existing facilities in Hawthorne, CA. They will be trucked to McGregor, TX for testing where the test cells are already built.

McGregor labelled

And the Raptor test site.

Raptor test site

Gwynne Shotwell also stated that Boca Chica/Brownsville, TX site, currently thought to be developed as a Falcon 9 launch site for GEO orbital launches only (Florida is in the way for LEO missions, cannot overfly easily) was their initial test site for boosted hops.

The general consensus seems to be that the initial low mass test hops of each stage will likely happen at Boca Chica/Brownville, but never fully fueled as that would violate the Environmental Assessment that permits launching from there.

That is, like Grasshopper at McGregor, they would build initial versions of each stage, fuel them lightly, and practice hovers, hops, and other steps up to flight reducing risk and ensuring everything is working as expected.

In terms of regular flights, per the IAC 2017 videos, it is clear they would launch and land at offshore facilities, to avoid the need for building launch sites. Landing and launch sites are intended to be the same, with the BFR/BFB landing right back on its launch mount, and the BFS landing on a pad, within crane reach. That video is probably more theoretical than instructional, but it hints at the thinking at that time

In terms of other sites, LC-39A is a possibility for launches on land, as it is almost large enough to handle the thrust, but it would mean losing manned mission access for Dragon to ISS while it is being modified.

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  • $\begingroup$ So every BFR they build will have to be shipped via the Panama canal to get to KSC? $\endgroup$ – Slarty Feb 18 '18 at 12:15
  • $\begingroup$ Initially it looks that way. Likely they will move the factory once they know where the main launch site it. $\endgroup$ – geoffc Feb 18 '18 at 13:04
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    $\begingroup$ ... meaning the current timeline for getting to Mars is ridiculous $\endgroup$ – Everyday Astronaut Mar 5 '18 at 15:27
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    $\begingroup$ @derwodamaso Entirely possible! I can dream and hope! The pad team is apparently in Boca Chica now, having finished LC-40/LC-39A. Seems like the limiting item is the Raptor engine being ready and manufactured in large number (31 first stage, 7 second) and then large tanks. Raptor is expected to be built in Hawthorne, where they know how to build lots of Merlin engines (Almost same size too!) and the factory doors are apparently large enough for initial tank builds to get out. Hard to move, but possible to do a couple there. $\endgroup$ – geoffc Mar 5 '18 at 15:30
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I don't know where construction of BFR will be done, but according to this question, SpaceX is planning to fly the BFR off of launch complex 39A at Cape Canaveral (at least initially).

The way your question is worded is a little puzzling; this is on the east coast of the US, which is what allows it to launch to the east without flying overland.

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As of 6/4/2018 the primary build and launch site will be a large portion of the Port of LA. It's currently under construction after a buy out and removal of hundreds of shipping containers and container cranes. All to make room for BFR infrastructure.

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