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So I thought I'd answered my own question (How close is the ISS to a closed system?), but I just realized there's a missing piece.

This is the chemical equation for how hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon are recycled and/or consumed on the station (now that the Sabatier system is in place).

$$2H_{2}O \overset{hydrolysis}{\rightarrow} 2H_2 + O_2 + \overset{food}{C} \overset{respiration}{\rightarrow} CO_2 + 2H_2 + \overset{added}{2H_2} \overset{sabatier}{\rightarrow} 2H_{2}O + \overset{discarded}{CH_4}$$

Removing the recycled components, it simplifies to:

$$\overset{food}{C} + \overset{added}{2H_2} \rightarrow \overset{discarded}{CH_4}$$

So the oxygen is recycled almost completely, but it still requires input hydrogen. This is provided by shipments of water. I thought recycling the oxygen saves a lot of water weight they don't have to launch anymore. But then I realized that if the hydrogen still comes from water, every two atoms of hydrogen arrives with an atom of oxygen. That's a lot of dead weight just to carry hydrogen to the station: sending 1kg of hydrogen requires launching 9kg of water.

And since oxygen isn't needed or consumed, where does it go? Presumably it's scrubbed out of the atmosphere as $CO_2$ and vented overboard. But then we're back where we started before Sabatier.

Basically, as far as I can figure it, the simplified equation went from this, before Sabatier:

$$2H_{2}O \overset{hydrolysis}{\rightarrow} 2H_2 + O_2 + \overset{food}{C} \rightarrow \overset{discarded}{CO_2 + 2H_2}$$

To this, after:

$$2H_{2}O \overset{hydrolysis}{\rightarrow} 2H_2 + O_2 + \overset{food}{C} \rightarrow \overset{discarded}{CH_4} + \overset{???}{O_2}$$

How is the water input reduced?

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  • $\begingroup$ Food is not just carbon, it is glucose if i put in highly simplified way. The reaction must release lot of water as by product. So a lot of water need not be carried to ISS. $\endgroup$ – Prakhar Apr 13 '18 at 13:50
  • $\begingroup$ @Prakhar True. As I mentioned in my original answer, essentially, food is another way of transporting water to the ISS. But that's from respiration, which occurs with or without Sabatier, so I subtracted it from the equation. $\endgroup$ – Nick S Apr 14 '18 at 3:17
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The life support system on the ISS is rather complex, here's a diagram that NASA provides:

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Bottom line is that the breathable oxygen is created from the water, and the hydrogen left over from that process is used in the sabatier process to reduce the CO2 and create water. Methane is also a byproduct of this process, and that is vented off board, although improvements have been made to dispose of more carbon rich materials like solid carbon or acetylene.

Bottom line is, the system isn't perfect, but it does take what were two waste products (Carbon Dioxide and Hydrogen) that were previously vented off of the spacecraft, and turns them in to water, with the partial waste of methane. It isn't a close looped system, but it does improve the process slightly.

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The hydrogen for the process is shipped separately, in pressurized containers. A water particle atomic mass is ~18u, where hydrogen contributes about 2u and oxygen - 16u. That means even with the mass of the container, the total mass of hydrogen can be much lower than the mass of water needed to produce that amount of hydrogen.

Also don't forget that food is not pure carbon. It's carbohydrates, proteins, fats, all these contain plenty of hydrogen; roughly 2 hydrogen atoms per carbon atom, maybe a little less. All that hydrogen is bound with atmospheric oxygen and released as water with breath moisture and urine, then scrubbed out of the air. Electrolysis then separates it, for use in the Sabatier process, while oxygen is returned into the air. So you don't need a big stockpile of hydrogen to keep the Sabatier process running.

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    $\begingroup$ Do you have a reference for hydrogen being shipped? Everything I've read so far indicates it's made on the spot via electrolysis. $\endgroup$ – Hobbes Dec 5 '18 at 15:31
  • $\begingroup$ @Hobbes: The only (poor) reference I can find at the moment is the sentence " As half of the input hydrogen becomes wasted as methane, additional hydrogen is supplied from Earth to make up the difference." in Wikipedia. I'd swear I saw article about planning shipments of hydrogen. I suspect in reality it never actually happened and simply Sabatier operates with as much hydrogen as it gets from electrolysis - if it operates at all... A comment by David Hammen says it's just switched off. $\endgroup$ – SF. Dec 5 '18 at 16:36
  • $\begingroup$ I'd love a reference for this. I thought I'd read in multiple places that the hydrogen comes from water, but maybe that was talking about the old system? $\endgroup$ – Nick S Dec 6 '18 at 19:24
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    $\begingroup$ @NickS: Long term hydrogen storage is quite difficult and dangerous, so I wouldn't be surprised if that part of the plans got scratched, and the process operates at 50% efficiency for that very reason (vs claims of 98% I'd seen) - half of CO2 vented because there was shortage of hydrogen to deal with it. $\endgroup$ – SF. Dec 6 '18 at 21:48

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