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Does anybody know if Beresheet orbital data are available on NASA Horizons?

Some bodies are listed by reference number, with no name:

https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons_batch.cgi?batch=1&MAKE_EPHEM=%20%27YES%27&&TABLE_TYPE=%20%27VECTORS%27&&OUT_UNITS=%20%27KM-S%27&&REF_SYSTEM=%20%27J2000%27&&VEC_LABELS=%20%27YES%27&&CSV_FORMAT=%20%27YES%27&&OBJ_DATA=%20%27NO%27&&VEC_TABLE=%20%272%27&&STEP_SIZE=%20%271%20h%27&&START_TIME=%20%272018-09-1%2000:00%27&&STOP_TIME=%20%272018-12-03%2017:01%27&&COMMAND=%20%27*%27&CENTER=%20%27500@399%27&

This site appears as not updated in real time but just based on schedule:

https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=44049

I also found the raw data used in the official simulator, but they look not updated too, just scheduled.

Simulator: http://live.spaceil.com

Raw data:

http://live.spaceil.com/data/data_s1.txt (22/2 - 12/4)

http://live.spaceil.com/data/data_s2.txt (4/4 - 12/4)

http://live.spaceil.com/data/data_m.txt (22/2 - 16/12)

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tl;dr: Get most recent TLE from Celestrak now, and keep downloading them (here are a few I got from Celestrak recently) or get all historic TLEs from Space-Track (but you have to register and follow their rules). Use SGP4 to interpret the TLEs, and an easy way to do that is to use the Python package Skyfield.

Horizons does not update in real time, the orbital solutions are updated every few months. That's not where to look for "tracking" type data.

From Celestrak: https://www.celestrak.com/satcat/tle.php?CATNR=44049

BERESHEET               
1 44049U 19009B   19056.12000000 -.00000410  00000-0  00000+0 0  9999
2 44049  27.0110  11.2380 8290697 180.2020  59.3930  1.03728676    24
BERESHEET               
1 44049U 19009B   19057.86922840 -.00000449  00000-0  00000+0 0  9998
2 44049  27.6586  10.3444 8300888 181.1251 352.8363  1.03793705    46
BERESHEET               
1 44049U 19009B   19059.41777308 -.00000504  00000-0  00000+0 0  9990
2 44049  27.6559  10.1226 8300930 181.4837 211.4679  1.03800294    67

You can understand the numbers by looking here and here and here.


I remember when I first realized I could get satellite positions that continuously updated from the internet. December 2015: Can scraping be applied to this page which is actively recalculating? It was the famous Orbcomm launch by SpaceX and I was "tracking the satellites" by scraping a website that showed the positions of satellites in order to visualize how the satellites slowly moved away from each other over the next few days.

Then I discovered Space Exploration SE and everything got better! A nicer way to download the positions of the Orbcomm-2 satellites

X, Y, Z of constellation

@PearsonArtPhoto told me about

where you can get TLEs, and

which have SGP4 propagators and so they can convert TLEs to positions and velocities centered on the Earth.

I asked about how PyEphem worked PyEphem under the hood - how does it calculate position of planets?.

Then I found out that there is a newer Python package called Skyfield which really rocks!

Skyfield downloads and reads the same JPL Development Epeherides (also How to pronounce “Ephemerides”?) that Horizons uses for the positions of solar system objects, and can accept manual TLEs or download them from Celestrak for you!

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    $\begingroup$ What does "TLE" mean? $\endgroup$ – jumpjack Mar 1 at 14:29
  • $\begingroup$ @jumpjack I've made an edit, those lines near the top, they being with 1 and then 2, those are two line element sets $\endgroup$ – uhoh Mar 1 at 14:31
  • $\begingroup$ how do I interpret celestrak output? $\endgroup$ – jumpjack Mar 1 at 14:37
  • $\begingroup$ @jumpjack I have already given you three TLE's for Beresheet and explained how to use them to obtain state vectors. That's a lot. In your question you give a link with state vectors as well. What else do you need exactly? (a state vector is $[x, y, z, v_x, v_y, v_z]$) $\endgroup$ – uhoh Mar 1 at 14:41
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    $\begingroup$ @jumpjack once you have the TLEs there are many ways to use them. I myself use an ancient DOS program called STSPLUS but I can't recommend that one.... $\endgroup$ – Organic Marble Mar 1 at 14:46
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Here's the plot of the data in data_s1.txt (spacecraft) and data_m.txt (Moon). There are proper state vectors for the spacecraft $[x, y, z, v_x, v_y, v_z]$ but only position vectors for the Moon. $[x, y, z]$. There is another problem as well, they don't align correctly!! The spacecraft does not orbit the Moon!! @@

I think there may be something screwy with the data. the error is much bigger than 1/81 so it's more than just barycenter versus Earth-center coordinates. Something's wrong. Anyway, here it is!

enter image description here

Python script:

import numpy as np
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
from mpl_toolkits.mplot3d import Axes3D

with open('data_s1.txt', 'r') as infile:
    slines   = infile.readlines()

slines   = [ [float(x) for x in line.strip().split(',')[1:]] for line in slines[1:-1]]
sstates  = np.array(zip(*slines))

with open('data_m.txt', 'r') as infile:
    mlines   = infile.readlines()

mlines   = [ [float(x) for x in line.strip().split(',')[1:]] for line in mlines[1:-1]]
mstates  = np.array(zip(*mlines))

if True:    
    fig = plt.figure(figsize=[10, 8])  # [12, 10]

    ax  = fig.add_subplot(1, 1, 1, projection='3d')
    x, y, z = sstates[:3]
    ax.plot(x, y, z, '-r')

    x, y, z = mstates[:3]
    ax.plot(x, y, z, '-b')

    ax.set_xlim(-405000, 405000)
    ax.set_ylim(-405000, 405000)
    ax.set_zlim(-405000, 405000)

    plt.show()
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