# Are LiPo batteries more suitable for 1st stage electric power than Li-ion batteries?

I've just ran across two mentions in Scott Manley's videos of LiPo batteries (Lithium-polymer) in first stage launch applications. These involve power levels of megawatts.

Many/most large terrestrial transportation applications that I've heard of use lithium ion batteries, often made up of a collection of 18650 cells.

Are LiPo batteries more suitable for 1st stage rockets than Li-ion batteries? If so, why?

• slightly related and currently unanswered: Are the ejected first stage Electron rocket batteries really incinerated? – uhoh May 6 '19 at 5:36
• The thing we care about is the discharge rate. It is usually given in C a discharge rate of 1 C means we release the stored energy in 1 hour. A lower stage might burn say 2.5 min which means we need a discharge rate of 24 C if we want to completly discharge our batteries which is high but managable for LiPo commonly used in e.g. fpv drones and rc cars (they go up to ~75 and are marketed up to a constant 100). I have no idea about Li-ion batteries therefore just a comment. The internal resistance is the limiting problem here. – Christoph May 6 '19 at 6:43
• @Christoph I see, since mass is such a critical factor in launch vehicles, when comparing two batteries I wonder if the one with higher [specific power]() is really more important than the one with higher C? – uhoh May 6 '19 at 6:50
• Yeah the interesting thing for us is the usable specific energy which is basically min(specific power * burn time, specific energy). But if you throw away your batteries like the electron does you basically only care for specific power so that you can throw away a battery pack as often as possible. You don't want to take the batteries all the way to space with you. – Christoph May 6 '19 at 7:00
• Also, cell voltage drops/cell resistance increases as the battery discharges. There's a tradeoff between discharging batteries in parallel for more power, allowing you to get more useful energy from a given battery mass, and discharging them in sequence so you can jettison some of the battery mass sooner, at the cost of jettisoning some unused capacity in the process. It's also worth noting that you may be throttling down toward the end of a burn to keep accelerations down as the propellant tanks empty, so you may not need as much power at the end of the burn. – Christopher James Huff 14 hours ago