# Are there any “Third Order” acronyms used in space exploration?

On a recent episode of the Planetary Radio podcast, the topic of Third-Order Acronyms was brought up. At NASA, there are many Second-order acronyms like SAFER - Simplified Aid For EVA Rescue, where there is an acronym inside of an acronym. Are there any acronyms inside of acronyms inside of acronyms (Third Order) used in space exploration?

EDIT: Initialisms are also accepted.

• Acronyms are a dime a dozen at NASA. I vaguely recall running across a fourth order acronym at some point in my career, but the recollection is vague. All I remember was "Wow. A fourth order acronym." – David Hammen Sep 13 '19 at 17:02
• I know of plenty of (often jocular) infinite-order acronyms. Not necessarily specific to space exploration, but possibly used by some people at NASA. Linux developers seem to love them, e.g. "PINE": "PINE Is Not ELM", or "GIMP": "GIMP Is Mainly Photoshop", etc. (I'm aware they have other meanings, Linux people are just like that sometimes.) Then there was Dilbert's "The TTP Project", where the second 'T' stands for "The TTP Project". – Darrel Hoffman Sep 13 '19 at 18:48
• @DarrelHoffman GIMP is a double-infinite acronym! GIMP is also named GNU Image Manipulation Program, where GNU is “GNU’s Not Unix” – CourageousPotato Sep 14 '19 at 3:25
• @DarrelHoffman: Googling "GIMP Is Mainly Photoshop" returns exactly one result: your comment. – Eric Duminil Sep 14 '19 at 19:20
• @CourageousPotato: Also: It's time [to] explain the meaning of "Hurd". "Hurd" stands for "Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons". And, then, "Hird" stands for "Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth". We have here, to my knowledge, the first software to be named by a pair of mutually recursive acronyms. See here. – Eric Duminil Sep 14 '19 at 19:22

Yes.

• NUTI => NASCOM User Traffic Interface
• NASCOM => NASA Communications
• NASA => National Aeronautics and Space Administration

Found by parsing this list of over 14,000 NASA acronyms

It also contains a vast number of second order acronyms, but the example above is the only third order acronym I could find through initial analysis.

• That's 14,000 Shuttle acronyms. It isn't a complete list of Shuttle-related acronyms, and it's only Shuttle-related acronyms. – David Hammen Sep 13 '19 at 17:07
• @DavidHammen One black swan disproves the "all swans are white" fallacy. The question asks "are there any", this shows there are. – Organic Marble Sep 13 '19 at 17:08
• @OrganicMarble I think David was taking issue with it being described as "NASA acronyms" when it is only a subset of Shuttle acronyms, but if so I'm not sure that hair splitting is relevant. The list is NASA acronyms, it just so happens to be a subset of NASA acronyms that only includes Shuttle acronyms. – called2voyage Sep 13 '19 at 17:55
• By the way, if you change "program=shuttle" to "program=station" in the URL, you got a long list of some Space Station acronyms. – called2voyage Sep 13 '19 at 20:49

I gave an example of one a while back in this answer:

Alternate version by Magic Octopus Urn

Alternate version by Eric Duminil

• Is there any way to draw this diagram that isn't a little bit confusing? – SE - stop firing the good guys Sep 13 '19 at 13:44
• Knock yourself out! – Organic Marble Sep 13 '19 at 13:51
• @Hohmannfan I guess if I had drawn it with the 1st acronym at the bottom and run the arrows up, I could have listed the words in forward instead of reverse order. That might have been a better choice. Odds of me redoing it are slim though. – Organic Marble Sep 13 '19 at 14:07
• @MadPhysicist that would work too. I'm too top-down, left-to-right biased apparently. – Organic Marble Sep 13 '19 at 17:36
• Feel free to use this one if you think it's better. – Eric Duminil Sep 14 '19 at 19:32

While not exactly space exploration there is at least one fourth order acronym for NASA earth observation systems (mostly earth sensing satellites).

• EPR - EED2 Program Roadmap
• EED - EOSDIS Evolution and Development
• EOSDIS - Earth Observation System(EOS) Data and Information System
• EOS - Earth Observing System

NASA - EOSDIS Acronym List

• Is the last step really an expansion though? – SE - stop firing the good guys Sep 13 '19 at 21:32
• That’s just a third order - EOS is already expanded in EOSDIS. – Tim Sep 13 '19 at 22:39
• It kind of is, because "Earth Observation System Data and Information System" is lousy grammar, but "EOS Data and Information System" where "EOS" is a proper noun works nicely. So it really kind of "wants" to be unexpanded at the third level. – hobbs Sep 15 '19 at 1:53

There's a conference about satellite sounders called the

organised by the

ITWG: International TOVS Working Group

where

TOVS: TIROS Operational Vertical Sounder

where

TIROS: Television Infrared Observation Satellite

VERITAS mission to Venus (proposed).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VERITAS_(spacecraft)

VERITAS - Venus Emissivity, Radio science, InSAR, Topography And Spectroscopy

InSAR - Intrerferometric Synthetic Aperture Radar