# Are few kilogram RTG's possible with similar mass-specific power to current designs?

This answer to Mass ratio of solar-electric versus radioisotope thermo-electric power for propulsion; beyond how many AU do RTGs win? estimates a crossover at about 4.3 AU, so a trip to the outer planets will likely need a self-contained power source like an RTG or similar.

Suppose a future (as yet unspecified) mission wanted to slow down somewhat before a flyby of an outer planet. I'll ask a separate question about propulsion, but this means that it would need much more of its mass for propulsion for a given trip time.

Wikipedia lists the mass of the MMRTG at about 45 kg.

Could a similar design be scaled down in such a way that the mass-specific power output was similar? If a 45 kg RTG can produce 125 Watts at the beginning, could a similarly designed 4.5 kg RTG generate close to 12.5 Watts? Could a 1 kG RTG produce 2.7 Watts?

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• No doubt about thermal power being easy to scale down, that's simple physics, but that may not be true for how much can be recovered as electricity. Feb 14, 2020 at 7:41
• RTG powered pace makers existed, but would not be producing the power levels useful for a space probe. Probably a key thing here would be safety. Making a large re-entry survivable canister is easier than a small one. If you are assembling in orbit and take off the can to fly just fuel, radiators and the generator plates it is both lighter and probably more efficient electrically. Wonder if the protective shielding mass of the New Horizons RTG is pubic. Feb 15, 2020 at 1:48
• @GremlinWranger I thought about asking "what's the smallest RTG ever deployed in space" as a separate question, but it seems too related to this to ask separately. I'll wait first to see if that question is answered here as part of an example.
– uhoh
Feb 15, 2020 at 1:51
• @SE-stopfiringthegoodguys But squared cube law might work against RTGs at smaller sizes. Feb 17, 2020 at 22:17
• @GremlinWranger "nuclear batteries" for pacemakers were betavoltaics, not RTGs: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betacel Feb 6, 2023 at 18:51

The plutonium used in RTGs produces a continuous amount of heat through decay per KG of material regardless of size so can be widely scaled. What does matter is that efficient harvesting of heat energy depends on maximising the difference between the hot and cold sides of the system, so a massive single block would melt everything it touched when built, and a very small element becomes harder to harvest energy from (but useful for pure heat)

So there will be a sweet spot where a given volume of material produces useful levels of heat but does not melt itself during assembly or use. The currently used RTGs are made from sub elements that are listed as 1.44kg and producing 250 watts each with a 600 degree surface stacked to produce the required total power.

Which indicates that a 250W/1.5kg power element is available. The specs listed for this suggest half the overall weight is the elements with rest being radiators and power hardware making a 3kg, 250W heat/16W electric system possible.

Here suggests a figure of 540W/kg for the raw Pu material so that 1.5kg power element is only 1/3 Pu by weight (500g), potentially meaning by accepting more risk a 500g raw PU element with 500g of supporting radiators could produce a 1kg 16W electric power system that nobody would want to go anywhere near.

Going smaller from that size achieving high efficiency of the electric power generation requires insulation and other supporting equipment so the ratio of supporting hardware to useful heat/power generation starts to go up, but at its core the the Watts of heat per kg of PU remains constant so while the engineering challenges increase it is certainly possible.

Probably the major lower bound on RTG size for current missions is the point at which the costs of the prelaunch paperwork outweigh finding an alternate design.

• @Uhoh I made a major edit in terms of answer in Feb, suggesting that very small RTGs are possible albeit at a cost of engineering complexity in sustaining that high temperature differential. Do not have the background to provider harder numbers than the ones already there. Apr 11, 2020 at 6:40
• Ah I see you have, thanks!
– uhoh
Apr 11, 2020 at 23:47

https://web.archive.org/web/20100525084704/https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19660005486_1966005486.pdf

Here's another data point, the SNAP-3 RTG at 5 pounds (2.27kg) outputting 2.5W of electric power.

That's less than half the power density of the 45kg RTG (1.1W/kg vs. 2.8W/kg), but not too bad for a system scaled down by a factor of 20.

The SNAP series also had better power density than the MMRTG with the SNAP-19 (pretty pictures: https://nuke.fas.org/space/bennett0706.pdf), 40.3W at 13.6kg, 3.0W/kg.

The yet bigger SNAP-27 used on some of the Apollo missions is only 20kg at 73W, 3.7W/kg.