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To bring things back to earth (literally), why is there such a plume of what I can only imagine is dust on liftoff from launchpads on Earth?

Every launch I see from Earth has a huge cloud shooting out in all directions from the pad. As the rocket gains altitude, pretty quickly you can tell that the cloud stops billowing out from the rocket once it has reached half its own height. The plume seems not to be from the rocket itself exhaust alone but from an interaction of the rocket exhaust with the ground.

Launch of Starlink rocket with some plume cloud at bottom but none between it and the actual rocket exhaust

(From 15:11 at https://www.spacex.com/launches/sl4-7/)

What is the cause/source/material of this plume?

My first impression is that it is simply dust on the launch pad surface, and the rocket exhaust is blowing it out into the air. Is there -that- much dust on Earth?

On thinking, this seems like way too big a cloud of dust. I'd think that that size of cloud would come from a thick layer of settled dust on the pad (like an inch deep). But from film of these pads they seem clean enough. And then if the pad is reused, you'd think the pad would have been cleaned off enough so that next time (even after a few months) it wouldn't be so bad.

On landing of the latest SpaceX Falcons on the floating ship platforms there is still some appreciable cloud blowing out from where it lands (and presumably there is little dust on the surface of a ship).

SpaceX Falcon landing with similar plume

So what is the cause of the big cloud on liftoff? And for when a rocket has those trails that continue behind it, what is that then since it is unlikely to be dust?

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    $\begingroup$ You've done some really nice critical thinking in this question, not only coming up with a hypothesis that explains the billowing cloud, but then coming up with facts that seem to contradict your own hypothesis and want explaining. $\endgroup$ Feb 7, 2022 at 21:09
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    $\begingroup$ Candidate for at least some of the observed effects: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_suppression_system "They aid in reducing acoustic energy by injecting large quantities of water below the launch pad into the exhaust plume and in the area above the pad." Water in a rocket exhaust plume very quickly turns to steam and then condenses into a white cloud when it gets just a bid farther away. $\endgroup$ Feb 7, 2022 at 21:20
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    $\begingroup$ @CharlesStaats Hm... steam sounds right for dumping all that water, and it explains why there's no trail once the rocket is only a length off the ground. Does that also account for rocket trails higher in the atmosphere where maybe there's more moisture, like condensation trails for horizontal-motion jet aircraft. $\endgroup$
    – Mitch
    Feb 7, 2022 at 21:44
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    $\begingroup$ @WayneConrad I may also be mixing up a number of phenomena here, liftoff, landing, in lower atmosphere, in test (test rockets that stay on the ground), etc. Maybe some of these are the same and some not... I have no idea. $\endgroup$
    – Mitch
    Feb 7, 2022 at 21:46
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    $\begingroup$ Could you look again at what you're really saying? To bring things back to Earth- literally - how could there not be a plume of dust? Every launch I see from Earth has a huge cloud shooting out in all directions from the pad. As the rocket gains altitude, pretty quickly you can tell that the cloud stops billowing out from the rocket once it has reached half its own height. The plume seems not to be from the rocket itself exhaust alone but from an interaction of the rocket exhaust with the ground. $\endgroup$ Feb 9, 2022 at 0:52

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I took some screenshots of the linked video.

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At T+1 seconds watch the water spray nozzles, four on the left and the right side of the rocket. At the right side of the image a mixture of water and steam is rising from the flame trench.

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At T+4 seconds there is steam only from the flame trench.

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At T+6 seconds there is steam at the left, at the center and the right side of the image.

So there is no dust to be seen, only steam clouds as a result of the contact of the cooling water and the very hot rocket exhaust. The water is also used to absorb the shock waves from the exhaust, keeping them from damaging either the rocket or the launch pad as commented by Mark.

A thick layer of dust on the launch pad used by a very expensive rocket is not plausible. Nobody responsible for the launchpad would risk his job by a dirty pad covered with a thick layer of dust.

The landing pad made of concrete is exposed to the very hot and very fast rocket exhaust. Standard concrete exposed to temperatures above 250 °C is cracking and flaking, the water of the hydrates is removed and the cement is a fine gray powder again. So the dust is mostly the Portland cement used to mix the concrete.

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    $\begingroup$ Cooling is a secondary purpose of the water. The primary purpose is to absorb the shock waves from the exhaust, keeping them from damaging either the rocket or the launch pad. $\endgroup$
    – Mark
    Feb 8, 2022 at 3:23
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    $\begingroup$ But there don't seem to be any water sprays on the landing pad. What is the origin of that cloud then? $\endgroup$
    – Ruslan
    Feb 8, 2022 at 10:51
  • $\begingroup$ @Ruslan my guess is either unclean-burning fuel, or water vapor from the fuel condensing. Remember that even if a burn produces water vapor, we don't see the white steam unless the gasified water is cool enough to partially condense. Which would be after it touches the ground (which is cooler than 100 degree Celsius) $\endgroup$
    – Hobbamok
    Feb 8, 2022 at 12:16
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    $\begingroup$ @Ruslan, that's just straight dust. Rocket exhaust scrubs the pad a lot harder than a mere street-sweeper can. $\endgroup$
    – Mark
    Feb 8, 2022 at 23:37
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    $\begingroup$ @MatijaNalis If there are no water jets at launch, the concrete of the pad is touched by the hot exhaust releasing cement dust. $\endgroup$
    – Uwe
    Feb 10, 2022 at 19:02
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Partial:

I always thought that 'plume' indicated in the first picture was from water:

https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/9-12/features/F_Preventing_Fires_on_the_Launchpad.html

Water stored in a 300,000-gallon elevated tank is released just prior to main engine ignition and flows to the launch platform outlets.

There are six 12-foot high nozzles, called rainbirds. At main engine ignition, a torrent of water flows onto the mobile launcher. Nine seconds after liftoff, 900,000 gallons of water per minute are spraying through the area to reduce the acoustical levels in the payload bay area to about 180 decibels (db).

A water spray system provides a cushion of water directed down into and around the primary flame hole beneath the solid rocket boosters, and a secondary water spray blocks the path of pressure waves to decrease the intensity of pressure at the launch site.

When you view a ... launch on television, the white smoke filling the air is really steam from those millions of gallons of water evaporating. The actual exhaust smoke from the solid rocket motors goes out the other end of the launch pad through the Flame Deflector System.

So not dust.

But it is obviously not the same when you are talking about the second picture. I thought that was the rocket exhaust contacting and interacting with the Pad and its environment.

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Chemtrails

Almost all of the highest energy density chemical fuels available are hydrocarbons (and certainly the most practical). When they burn cleanly, they generally go like so:

$$4C_xH_y + (4x + y) O_2 \rightarrow 4xCO_2 + 2y H_2O$$

The CO₂ is invisible at STP (and rocket exhaust temperatures, even), but the H₂O is visible once it condenses into droplets. Some CO is also produced as well as various nitrogen compounds from the ambient air, but they are all irrelevant to this discussion.

Airliners at altitude fly through air which is typically -40°C, so the H₂O condenses immediately, leaving the famous "chemtrails". Rockets landing on a pad typically see much warmer air, but still colder than the 100°C required to maintain the gas phase.

Air is a good insulator, so when steam interacts with it at 20-30°C, it takes a while to condense, which is why the rocket plume is not necessarily billowy at semi-low altitude. But the solid ground is a reasonably good thermal conductor compared to air, and is more than happy to accept the steam's momentum, condensing it into visible water vapor near the ground.

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    $\begingroup$ I hope you mean "contrails". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory $\endgroup$ Feb 8, 2022 at 22:52
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    $\begingroup$ It's tongue-in-cheek, but I can change it if it's problematic. $\endgroup$ Feb 8, 2022 at 22:55
  • $\begingroup$ This sounds like part of the general phenomenon, but I think the great majority of the cloud at liftoff is steam from water dumping. So for rockets that do not leave a trail (not at liftoff) does it then follow that they are probably not consuming hydrocarbon fuel? $\endgroup$
    – Mitch
    Feb 9, 2022 at 21:21
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    $\begingroup$ Yes, the launch steam is almost all from the cooling jets. What I didn't mention is that visible clouds also require a nucleation site to initiate. Air pollution provides fine particles which increase cloud formation, but dust from the ground can do the same thing. The steam on launch is visible because the water is cold whereas the steam on landing is most likely visible because the ground is cold and dust helps provide nucleation sites for water droplet condensation. All liquid fuel rockets use hydrocarbons (if you allow that H2 is C0H2 ;). $\endgroup$ Feb 9, 2022 at 21:45

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