# Any satellites in Earth-Sun L3 point?

Do we (the humanity) have any satellites in the Sun-Earth $L_3$ point? If not, then what are the plans to put some ships into this point?

• Do you mean the Earth Moon L3? – kim holder wants Monica back Mar 21 '15 at 17:35
• Considering that an L3 point is unstable, I seriously doubt it is being considered as a location for any long-term deployment. A spacecraft certainly could pass through it, though, on its way somewhere else, but I doubt that's what you have in mind. – a CVn Mar 21 '15 at 21:05
• Which L3 point are we talking about? ESL3? EML3? Until this is stated this question is unanswerable. – ReactingToAngularVues Mar 22 '15 at 2:13
• What's the advantage of an L3 (Earth-Sun) satellite? Nasa set up a pair of satellites to get a 360 degree view of the sun a few years back. nasa.gov/mission_pages/stereo/news/entire-sun.html – userLTK Mar 22 '15 at 6:45
• Small point to add. A disadvantage to L3 is that it would often not be able to send messages to earth. map.gsfc.nasa.gov/mission/observatory_l2.html "NASA is unlikely to find any use for the L3 point since it remains hidden behind the Sun at all times." – userLTK Mar 23 '15 at 1:45

TL;DR No, there are no sats there today, and no declared plans from any of space agencies to do that.

Here's why:

An Earth-Sun $L_3$ point is an unfortunate place for a satellite to be in.

First off, it is unstable (thus without constant station-keeping burns an object placed there will fall out and start roaming about the Solar System). An alternative would be a halo or Lissajous orbit around $L_3$.

Second, the satellite would face significant difficulties in communicating via DSN. It would be permanently in solar conjunction with the Earth, and as the Sun is a very strong source of radio noise, the signal would drown in the noise. Of course, one can use satellites placed in Earth-Sun $L_4$ or $L_5$ points as relays, but it would make the whole $L_3$ program much more costly and unreliable.

This leads us to the third point: what can be the mission requiring a halo/Lissajous orbit around $L_3$?

• Space telescope? Nah, there's nothing in the far space that can't be observed in the course of Earth's normal yearly travel around the Sun.

• Solar weather observations? Nope, by definition we are interested in solar events going our way, not in the opposite direction.

• There's only one speculative mission that forces us to have something in $L_3$: watching out for an alien invasion, 'cause an advanced spacefaring civilization would definitely want to reduce our reaction time and choose an approach obscured by the Sun. Even then, $L_4$ and $L_5$ points offer better link budgets and only slightly worse detection conditions. A smart alien invasion would seek to disrupt the early warning network by inducing a fault that could be attributed to natural causes.

To sum it up: an $L_3$ satellite is not worth it unless you believe in evil aliens wanting to invade the Earth.

EDIT: Following andy256's suggestion, I quote the para from Tantardini et al. (2010) paper:

A space observatory placed at or around L3 could provide insight into local astrophysical phenomena such as the solar wind and the properties of the Sun’s magnetosphere; it could monitor the evolution of the sunspots, perform solar storm forecast and observe the space environment from a new perspective, hidden to the Earth, and in this way supplement and complete the information obtainable, e.g., from L1 or from Earth based observatories. A satellite at L3 could be even thought of as part of a circular or spherical constellation of s/c monitoring the Sun’s activity and the space environment at many different angles. Moreover, L3 may constitute a privileged site to perform relativity experiments, such as measuring the gravitational bending of light on behalf of the Sun, as a follow-up of the Cassini–Huygens radio science observations. Finally, some minor bodies such as NEOs and comets, hidden by the Sun as viewed from Earth, could be observed and even tracked from this more favorable location.

Please note that I'm not convinced in the slightest by their arguments.

• "watching out for an alien invasion". Enough people do that already, here at home at L0. – LocalFluff Mar 22 '15 at 9:29
• So, you state that there is no satellites in L3 and no plans? – Dims Mar 22 '15 at 10:13
• @Dims: none and none. – Deer Hunter Mar 22 '15 at 10:21
• +1 for the aliens! Seriously, Wikipedia suggests A spacecraft orbiting near Sun–Earth L3 would be able to closely monitor the evolution of active sunspot regions before they rotate into a geoeffective position ... – user8406 Mar 22 '15 at 10:40
• "… by definition we are interested in solar events going our way, not in the opposite direction." A short sighted definition in my opinion. Views from several angles would give us a better understanding of solar weather. Further, events on the other side influence solar weather on our side. – HopDavid Mar 23 '15 at 0:10

Currently NASA has two satellites flying in Solar conjunction with Earth, near the L3 point of Sun-Earth - STEREO A and STEREO B. They will not stop at L3, and the distance to L3 may be rather great. Current position ("Where is STEREO Today?"): http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/where.shtml